Spondon

[War_Hound]

At the risk of getting an interesting bunch of comments and ribbings .. I was interested in what you guys on here think of Spondon frames .. My thoughts where .. when I finish this GSXF 1200 Sleeper.. Is saving $$$$ for a Spondon frame a worthwhile endeavour ??

[alfiestorm]

Yeah get the fat tubular frame and not the abortion beam frame they made :D

[War_Hound]

well it will be a suzuki .. I was looking at the Busa one.. looks nice .. a lot of saving to do though because on top of the 3000-4000 plus VAT odd pounds they are .. then there is shipping,, but they seem to be damn nice street fighters 8)

[crazymofo]

your opening a can of worms here mate. LOL

search for a thread started by ozkat reguards spondons....should entertain you for a while.


rather build me own :P

cheers.joe.

[alfiestorm]

If you do buy a spondon frame from rip off britain you wont get charged VAT as you are in Australia.
If they try and say they have to charge you VAT tell e'm to get fucked as they themselves will not be getting charged vat for sales outside of europe and will infact be pocketing the money and getting pissed at your expense.
In fact try and find a second hand one in Auss or better still find somewhere that can make you a spondon style frame and less hassle should there be any warranty issues. Isn't there a guy on here that does one off stuff ?

One of the members (QLD I think) mentioned a local engineer who does one off's. I asked if any others were interested in doing a group buy, which would reduce costs such as engineering reports, but there wasn't much, if any, response.

[speeddemon]

Not another Spondon thread!!!!

Its not a Spondon but...on the list for the bandit project maybe sooner than later! Chromo trelis i like

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/18166557113042.jpg

Who's that from Speedy?

[speeddemon]

shhhhhh my little secret - I new i shouldnt have mentioned it, but being the good fella i am:

http://www.bobmartinmotorcycles.com.au/index.htm

Ohhhh and the price - he said around $4.5 to 5.5k made to fit the bandit and is one of the best frame builders around. makes you think ey - but hes a bloody mexican so distance is a bit of a pain.

That include engineering cert's etc? and what sort of tank/bodywork are they for?

[speeddemon]

Apparently he can make the template fit about anything - havnt enquired much more about it - eng cert is not much of an issue and like i said still way cheaper than spondon even if ya need a custom tank.

True, much cheaper, and Bob Martin has a very good reputation. In fact I think I know someone who knows him personally, might have to catch up with him :).
Now what sort of motor to put into it?

[speeddemon]

Well if were thinking about a oily gsxr engine then maybe we can get a discount with two frames - im serious??

What sort of time frame are you looking at Speedy?

And anyone else interested?

[speeddemon]

Honestly I could start now but was thinking 'whenever' i get round to it - hopefully this year. Main problem was geeting original frame or bike to him??

I'd be looking at later in the year myself. Was wanting to pick up a Gixxer11 to build an extreme fighter this year. I could get a frame to Melbourne from here quite easily/cheaply, I'm taking my daughter down there for a holiday and we normally drive.

So yeah I'm a defnite starter in about 6 months.

[speeddemon]

Later this year would be pretty good for me - so lets start inquiring more about it with BME OK. Keep me in the loop.

Yeah, I'll chase up John. He hada fair bit to do with Bob Martin in the 80's if I remember correctly. He build a very tasty BR2 Macintosh.

[alfiestorm]

Thats interesting. I could be interested in one of them seeing as I will be stripping a gixxer when I get to Auss.

Oh fuck another seed planted.

Your right speedde thos trellis frames are the mutz nutz

:)

[sickboy]

The last I heard Bob Martin was infact deceased although BME are still in business.

The more the merrier Alfie

[Gix11]

quote:Originally posted by sickboy

The last I heard Bob Martin was infact deceased although BME are still in business.


Well if he is dead or not he definitely isn't hands on any more:

Bob Martin engineering was established in 1972. Bob's engineering skills have seen BME grow over the past 30 years, to become one of Australia's most sought after motorcycle engineering specialists. Specializing in repairs and modifications to all makes and models. Our frame building and construction have developed from Bob's early days as a sidecar racer when he built his own frames that were among the best in the Australasia. BME frames have been credited with wins at Bathurst during their 20 year involvement.
The company has now been handed to Bob's son Steve Martin, who along with an experienced team, continue to deliver BME's innovative, excellent standards.

Well as long as he doesn't do any lame arse jokes I'm still happy to try it.

The site does say that the frame was designed by Steve Martin.

[ozkat]

The G/11 BME frame simply looks too busy, its proberly an enginerring masterpeice and works beyond how it should, but it really looks too complex. Spondon / Martek / Harris frames are simple to look at (pleasing to the eye) and they work. But at 14k for a new frame (frame, alloy tank, SS swinger, Ohlins rear and triples) its out of most peoples reach. Ive said it before and ill say it again, if someone built a "Spondon" style big tube alloy frame with a generic tank, R1,CBR900, no subframe or similar to suit a range of engines from the big 4 they would sell.

[cavey]

Anyone got a pic of one of these frames for a gixer. It looks like that ones for a 250 stroker.

250 GP. Frames tailored to motor on request. Check out the above link

[War_Hound]

your opening a can of worms here mate. LOL

search for a thread started by ozkat reguards spondons....should entertain you for a while.


rather build me own :P


I am with you on build my own .. problem is I wouldnt have a clue how to .. thats where I need to rely on the talents fo others and start learning learning learning 8)

[cavey]

That frames gunna leave loadsa engine sticking out the sides. cant see that being rigid enough, be a bit bendy like a slaby no?

[alfiestorm]

At the present rate of exchange a spondon frame for a gsxr1100/bandit1200 will cost au$8800 that is without VAT as you wont pay it if ordering and paying from Aussie land but fuck knows what the shipping would be.

Just thought you would like to know :)

Cavey: Not necessarily, Harris, Bimota etc made similar frames back in the 80's that were more ridgid than stock frames. Having the engine as a stressed member increases ridgidity significantly. Plus a lot of the problems with the slabbies sheeted home to suspension and swing arm.

War Hound: this time we have a core of at least 2 goers on it plus an actual local manufacturer with a product, which is better than when that thread was written, I know cos I was one of the bigger shit stirrers in that one :D. Another 1 or 2 definites and we'll have enough for a small production run. Could be the start of an Aussie Harris/Spondon etc.

[gibbo]

Bob is no longer of this world but like Gix says Steve (son) is running the company. BME is very highly regarded down here, seems to do most of the frame work for the dealerships and the custom (harley) stuff. They are in Fern tree gully which is about 10 mins from home so if you want I could drop in and get some info if you like. They are a nice bunch to deal with too.

[speeddemon]

Those G2 frames are 'proven' for those that know...

or save more and by a fashion statement - i mean spondon..

Hey Gibbo any personal contact with em would be good - mine has only been via email to date.

Yeah Gibbo. I emailed them last night asking for more info though

[speeddemon]

Can you send reply to me also Chalky

Sure Speed.

I also pointed them to this thread, with an invite, so may see them turn up hopefully.

[speeddemon]

Alfie - you forget AU Tax!!!

Its 5% on the sale price and then you need to pay 10% GST this end on both the 5% Tax and the combined shipping - so it works out at over $10k AUS - more like $11k unless you get ya bro to send it or something like that.

There's a guy here in CBR who built one of those over the top Humpty Dumpties, 2ltr plus motor, Arlen Ness (I think) frame, etc etc etc. The frame broke due to vibration, and he had to send it back to the States for replacement, took ages to get it sorted. Dunno if this is a problem with Spondon's (we'll be using GSXR's, not the world's biggest vibrator :D), but Melbourne is a lot closer than UK.

[ozpete01]

Dont spose i could possibly get the addy for bme could i as i am moving to melbourne soon and will be living in the ferntree gully area? thanks Pete

Just click on the link on previous page, and it'll take you to their site. The address is on that page.

[ozpete01]

thanx chalky, if i wasnt so blind and thick i would have thought of doing that lol

[gibbo]

Hey Pete, give us a yell when you get down here mate, could have a beer maybe.

[ozpete01]

sounds good gibbo, that way u can also point me in the right direction for rebuilds, just replaced all the ignition system and had carbs rebuilt on me viffer anbd now the engine decided to have a holiday, fuckin old bikes

[Frankie]

"not another Spondon thread"

Mate, still better than another black GSXR... no offence Gix.


I payed about AUS $12.500,- incl airfreight and import duty (9.800 for the frame kit). You have to declare it at the Aussie customs and pay the appr. 1.800 import duty, if you want to have it registered as a Spondon in Oz.
Unless you do a dodgy and just swap the frames (and compliance plates, VIN). I don't think your insurance, the cops or the department of transport will like that, if you have a crash or whatever.


I really would think twice before you get anything cheap or you not sure about!!!
In my humble opinion, do it right the first time and don't waste your money on shit. Because it will cost you more in the end.

Why not give the locals a go?!



PS.
Chalk, I was wondering about you. You actually "act normal" lately. ;)

quote:Originally posted by Frankie



PS.
Chalk, I was wondering about you. You actually "act normal" lately. ;)


Normal? now tell me what's normal? especially around this place. :D
Sometimes I think the nutter institutions I used to work in were more normal. [8D]

[Frankie]

Thats why the "-marks...

Besides, the only bloke normal here is ME, MYSELF AND I! [:o)]

:D

Nah, I've had to cut back on some of my more extreme behaviour, don't want my 14 yr old daughter taking after me ;). Canberra ain't like where I come from.

[Frankie]

I see. Good man!

[cavey]

I think the way to a cheap spondon would be 2nd hand, would you not bypass the tax? As long as it hasn't had a turbo in it it will be fine as know they twist under big bhp. Also been told that harris's handle much better but give me the sweary bob any day. Have you seen steelheart. izax, moko, i love the moko's, Ive never seen one in the flesh though. Think I need to get over to fighterama!

Just try finding a 2nd hand one in Aus Cavvy. And an Ebay from UK, you wouldn't know real condition etc till it turned up, assuming it actually did turn up.

[alfiestorm]

BME it is then after all they ain't gonna do a rubbish job not that they do anyway and if there is any probs it will be easier to sort out

[speeddemon]

And that why after years of thinking about it I suggested BME in the first place - lets face it if Spondons were US made with our dollar at 80c i think there would be quite a few out here already, but UK ponds - owwwwchhhhh.

Pity there arnt any good US frames I am aware of, cause they all end up on faggot monkey bar Vtwin machines

I don't have a problem going BME over Spondon, after all EVERYONE goes Spondon these days :D

Could well be the first true blue Aussie style streetfighters. The Germans have their duck's arse style, The Yanks are going stretched out bling, the Poms have the ubiquitous stripped black gixxer.

[Frankie]

"Could well be the first true blue Aussie style streetfighters"

Chalk, there is the opportunity!


As I mentioned earlier, there are plenty of cheap-ish second hand (or new) PSS/ Rau, Moko, Egli, Hauenstein etc in Germany for sale. As a complete bike or as a frame only. Surely, nobody in Oz will have one! There are all TUV Certified and all you have to pay is the transport (shipping 150 bucks per cubic metre) and import duty. A bit of paper work and it's done!
According to the German fellas, there as good as any Spondon, Martek or any Brit build frame.

For me, If they would build frames for V-Twins, other than Hardley D, I would have got one... because they are very high standard build and prooven performers.



http://www.sr-bikesandparts.de/page1/indeger.html


http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/54580697157618.jpg

[Frankie]

Kits available for:

Suzuki GSX-R 750 / 1100 R 89-92
Suzuki GSF 1200 Bandit
Suzuki GSX 1100 RW / 750 RW
Suzuki GSX 1100 W / 750 W
Yamaha XJR 1200 / 1300 / FJ 1200
Honda CB 1000 / CBR 900 RR
Buell 1200 oder H.D.-Sportster
Honda CBX ( 6 Zylinder )



http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/54580697181746.jpg





I should ask for bloody comission...

[Frankie]

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/54580697170525.jpg

[Frankie]

These new type frames are available for:

Kawasaki ZX 9 R
Yamaha R 1
Suzuki GSX - R 1300 Hayabusa
Suzuki GSX-R 1000

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/54580697171793.jpg

[Frankie]

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/54580697172833.jpg

[Frankie]

For a SC28. I don't know how much he wants. But it'll be surtenly under AUS$ 10.000

http://cgi.ebay.de/Rau-Honda-cb-900_W0QQitemZ140098596054QQcategoryZ9804QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

[Frankie]

Here a Nico Bakker, Netherlands

http://cgi.ebay.de/Nico-Bakker-Honda-no-Egli-no-Rickmann-no-Rau-no-Martin_W0QQitemZ150103449266QQcategoryZ9804QQrdZ1Q QcmdZViewItem

[Frankie]

PSS
http://www.mobile.de/SID2z21pAiXll0-fZ8Nk4210Q-t-vaNexlCsAsCsK%F3P%F3R~BmSB11LsearchPublicJ11747204 37A1LsearchPublicD1300IMotorbikeW-t-vctpLtt~BmPA1A1B20A7%81F-t-vCaMkQuSeUnVb_X_Y_x_ysO~BSRA6C104D1400BGNDKRADA0Hi nPublicA2A0A0A0A0/cgi-bin/da.pl?bereich=krad&sr_qual=GN&top=5&id=11111111250760378&

[Frankie]

A complete custom one- off for AUS$ 16.000! If that is too much for a custom bike- I can't help ya. Maybe you should take up knitting.

http://www.mobile.de/SID2z21pAiXll0-fZ8Nk4210Q-t-vaNexlCsAsCsK%F3P%F3R~BmSB11LsearchPublicJ11747204 37A1LsearchPublicD1300IMotorbikeW-t-vctpLtt~BmPA1A1B20A7%81F-t-vCaMkQuSeUnVb_X_Y_x_ysO~BSRA6C104D1400BGNDKRADA0Hi nPublicA2A0A0A0A0/cgi-bin/da.pl?bereich=krad&sr_qual=GN&top=6&id=11111111250006756&

[Frankie]

http://www.mobile.de/SID2z21pAiXll0-fZ8Nk4210Q-t-vaNexlCsAsCsK%F3P%F3R~BmSB11LsearchPublicJ11747204 37A1LsearchPublicD1300IMotorbikeW-t-vctpLtt~BmPA1A1B20A7%81F-t-vCaMkQuSeUnVb_X_Y_x_ysO~BSRA6C104D1400BGNDKRADA0Hi nPublicA2A0A0A0A0/cgi-bin/da.pl?bereich=krad&sr_qual=GN&top=7&id=11111111182123827&

[Frankie]

How about this one for AUS$ 10.000

http://www.mobile.de/SID2z21pAiXll0-fZ8Nk4210Q-t-vaNexlCsAsCsK%F3P%F3R~BmSB11LsearchPublicJ11747204 37A1LsearchPublicD1300IMotorbikeW-t-vctpLtt~BmPA1A1B20A7%81F-t-vCaMkQuSeUnVb_X_Y_x_ysO~BSRA6C104D1400BGNDKRADA0Hi nPublicA2A0A0A0A0/cgi-bin/da.pl?bereich=krad&sr_qual=GN&top=4&id=11111111228382488&

[Frankie]

How about a another german frame Builder- Hauenstein

http://www.mobile.de/SIDIYJT2-WHufRDEABFSrLiIw-t-vaNexlCsAsCsK%F3P%F3R~BmSB11LsearchPublicJ11747207 22A1LsearchPublicD1300IMotorbikeW-t-vctpLtt~BmPA1A1B20A5%81S-t-vCCCaMkQuSeUnVb_X_Y_x_yccsO~BSRA6D1500B99D1400BGND KRADA0HinPublicA2A0A0A0D1001A0/cgi-bin/da.pl?bereich=krad&sr_qual=GN&top=2&id=11111111125758483&

[Frankie]

This is a pearler!!

http://www.hauenstein-motorraeder.de/index.php?c=content/verkauf/uebersichtdetail.php&id=36

[Frankie]

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/54580697124161.jpg

Yeah, went onto Egay Germany, searched for Rau, and kept getting gardening shit :(

Really don't know anything about either them or PSS. Plus I like the idea of getting a frame made up locally.

quote:Originally posted by Frankie

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/54580697124161.jpg




Does this one go tuk tuk tuk mit ein Deutsche accent ya? :D

[Frankie]

"Does this one go tuk tuk tuk mit ein Deutsche accent ya?"

Jawohl Herr Chalk!

Yep, Egay can be aeehm- Gay. There are other sale- websites.

You stick with the Aussies. As I said, there is the oportunity to start the Aussie Fighter Style [^]


Mate, perhaps others are interested as well...

[Fish]

War Hound: this time we have a core of at least 2 goers on it plus an actual local manufacturer with a product, which is better than when that thread was written, I know cos I was one of the bigger shit stirrers in that one . Another 1 or 2 definites and we'll have enough for a small production run. Could be the start of an Aussie Harris/Spondon etc.

Point me in the right direction for someone that can build me the right style frame and swinger ( I like the look of the Spondon Busa frame) and I will be interested .. of course I have to finish this GSX1100F project first 8)

[War_Hound]

Damn that Bitchfish has to learn to log out when he is finished on my PC 8)

[Deano]

but you gotta think. what swingarm and tank would you run or would you spend another $1000 for a one off alu tank.

add the cost of a custom single sided arm and an ohlins rear shock and is starting to get a bit exxy.

[War_Hound]

Yeah well I thought if you are talking around the 10 mark for a hand made frame .. swing arm Ohlins suspension a tank and engine mounts and headlight mounts .. That doesnt seem to be a bad deal to me .. considering its also a recognised and (so I am told) reliable brand. Its all just thoughts at this point.. when I finish up with the GSXF then I will start looking to the next bike .. I think at this point a major shift for me is all I have looked at in the past is a "new" bike .. since I discovered this place .. "new" bikes are becoming less and less appealing 8)

[cavey]

Fuck me you found some cool moko's there frankie, I've never seen one in the u.k. I was thinking of one for me buell. Chalk, if you see something in the u.k and its close to london me or ex'll have alook for ya.

Thanks Cavey, I'll keep that in mind mate.

What's 'close' by English standards? Here in Aus just up the road can be anything up to 100-150 K's away, whereas when I was growing up in NZ 100-150 K's was a case of get out the bags we're going travelling for the weekend (admittedly they're a little bit slow in NZ)

[cavey]

Post if you see something of interest, around london no prob but we know people all over, especially exile he knows everyone.

[exile]

Gal you got that wrong mate, its my wife that "gets around" :D

[Frankie]

For more answers on Spondon's, check out the info pages/ trick frames. A good source of info.

http://oldskoolsuzuki.info/